Yep, it’s all games, all the time here now. Today, let’s talk about the recent SPN game release.
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It’s not the WORST game I’ve ever played…
Yep, it’s all games, all the time here now. Today, let’s talk about the recent SPN game release.
. . .
It’s not the WORST game I’ve ever played…
Quick review: Fun, generally well done game engine, but really simple and may lack some thematic components for fans.
Waaaaaay back in 2011 (by Chuck has it been 5 years?) I did a post where I took some of the cards from Magic the Gathering’s Innistrad set and remade them with Supernatural style – because the crossover between the two was so obvious I’m surprised Wizards of the Coast and the CW didn’t do a cross-promotional thing (WotC did get some special Innistrad M&Ms).
Well since then 2 more sets (Dark Ascension and Avacyn Restored) released as a part of the Innistrad block AND THEN Magic went and returned to that plane with Shadows over Innistrad. Well with them coming back and as a favor to Thomas from the crossroads podcast, I thought I would do another batch of cards. And this time I’ll link to the original card so you can compare.
Well no new shows this week (except Constantine) so I guess not much to do review wise.
Eh, I’ll talk about something of interest to almost NOBODY else.
(though if you’re on the message board, you can discuss interest here)
So AEG brought back doomtown, a CCG from way back during the golden 90s of the CCG boom. And Upper Deck looks to bring back VS (the best Marvel vs DC card game ever done). There seems to be rumors too that Cryptozoic is going to do an expandable card game to Lord of the Rings. But there seems to be some kind of difficulties given that the post is several months old and there’s no response nor any on other topics I’ve scanned. I don’t know what could be the hold up with Cryptozoic whether it’s a rights issue with the movies, or if they’re having problems with the gameplay.
If it’s gameplay… may I suggest bringing back a particularly classic decipher rendetion? One that has several years of playtesting and refinement? One of the few games that once sold out Magic?
LotR: TCG Retrek (the expandable card game)
No seriously, I would so love to see this game and its engine return to tables everywhere, that I will gladly forgo any compensation (other than 2 free copies) if these ideas are used by Cryptozoic. All lawyers hear me? I will NOT sue the company if they want to use any or all of this. Just bring it back, guys. That’s plenty reward for me.
The following are ideas and thoughts on the game resuming. I’m not too attached to terms so by all means if you’ve got suggestions, toss them out.
One thing that I will defend about the LotR:TCG is that it was well built for multiplayer right out of the box and I’ve rarely played a game that captured such a blend of competition and cooperative. Allies shift to enemies and back again so quickly you end up dropping grudges because there’s too much going on (unless there was some big play that somebody got you on, then that you might remember). The game engine remains in good shape for shifting between 2 to more players.
Still, we need to be aware that we’ll be limited by the core 3 LotR movies’ materials alone. So in order to better expand it to allow almost ANY property that has a journey-quest structure (I’m looking at you, Hobbit and Black Cauldron), the One Ring should become a part of a larger card type. Say, “Quest Need” with the cards having subtypes on them (i.e. The One Ring). Characters that can bear these types of cards are called Quest-bearers. They’ll have a symbol on their card signaling this option as well as “subtype-bearer” in their gametext. Each Quest Need may also having “Victory-” text on them which modify (positively or negatively) the basic victory condition of the game. Which is:
Get your Quest-bearer to the final site on the path and have him or her survive to the end of the turn without being corrupted.
The standard turn sequence is: Fellowship (play your cards) – Shadow (opponents play theirs) – Maneuver (misc) – Archery (shoot!) – Assignment (pick a fight) – Skirmish (fight!) – Regroup (go again?). Should keep as it’s pretty elegant. Only 2 possible changes. Put a “move” phase between fellowship and shadow. Moving along the sites got crammed into the end of the fellowship and part of regroup phases which caused some rules headaches later on. Giving it its own phase allows things to be streamlined. I think the game could also use an “End” phase as regroup got kind of messy and it would allow some sequences to be more precisely codified.
As I’ve said before, Decipher had a bit of a problem showing the “home front” of Middle-earth, first with allies then with followers. I think both concepts had their place but issues with balance. First from both a thematic and balancing perspective, allies should be a Free Peoples type card, while followers are placed on the shadow side. Second, when creating cards that deal with those two less common types, give the cards a second purpose so they’re not hand clogging if you’re not fighting someone with them.
Events were fun, but the very nature and design of the game pulled everything towards permanents like gravity. So give every culture a method to spend or use events in alternate ways, usually on a permanent. (I mean Galadriel, Lady Redeemed was horribly broken, but the idea of her – of using events in alternate ways – was solid.)
Allow the game to use flexible sites like it did from Shadows, on, but add a bit of limitation so there’s a sense of actual progress. I think designating them as belonging to specific regions (with a few generic sites that could be placed “anywhere” for balance and deck building purposes) would be best. Players might know the Bridge of Khazad-dum can only show up in region 2, but they don’t know if it will be site 4, 5 or 6. But definitely bring back the terrain keywords and making them matter. Maybe even make some new ones. Ruins are visited as well as cities and town…
Completely overhaul initiative and site control. How? I don’t know. I have some rough ideas. But regardless the originals need work. Threats were good though. Bring threats in at the start of the game.
Cut down on unloaded keywords until there’s been thorough in-the-players-field testing. Let soft-enforcement segregate large groupings. If anything, use unloaded keywords to facilitate cross culture decks. i.e. Ranger on both Elf & Gondor companions. If you build a ranger deck, it’s probably going to be pretty blue and gray. Knights would be Gondor & Rohan working together. Valiant a combination of Rohan and… Shire? I guess.
As for actual themes of cultures…
DWARVES – Have a natural affinity for the loaded keyword, Damage + and love the terrains Underground & Mountain. They love to draw cards (no rule of 4 in this edition of the game, please), so much that they may end up wasting plenty (discarding cards). After drawing they then load up their companions with possessions and artifacts. They aim to just plow through minions in their way, heedless of the burdens weighing on the quest-bearer or the larger threats. Any dwarf asked is a dwarf summoned so there’s no allies, just companions.
ELVES – Have a natural affinity for the loaded keyword, Archer and love the terrains Forest & River. They’re not ones to draw, but use their magic and powers to stack their deck and ensure certain outcomes. Also instead of making themselves stronger, Elves reduce the strength of their enemies. They do have many allies, but they are passing into the west and won’t stay around for long.
GANDALF – Should probably be the jack-of-all trades he was once before though his culture always seemed to be competing with elves for “most broken”. I’m actually not sure what to do with him at the moment.
GONDOR – Has a natural affinity for the loaded keyword, Defender+ and loves the terrains Ruins & Town(/city?). The power house of Middle-Earth, this culture can be the best in raw strength, but falters against the trails of the quest. Their efforts have also made them the best at healing though they don’t do well with surprises.
SHIRE – Has a natural affinity for the loaded keyword, Toil and loves the terrains Dwelling & Marsh. The power in hobbits is their kinship, as they strengthen each other and more permanent allies power on the companions, though the hobbits have more than a few tricks up their sleeves. Their chipper spirits make them the best at easing burdens.
ROHAN – Still working on these guys. Have some ideas but nothing solid.
(same with Gollum)
Now with Shadow cultures… yes I STILL hate the new ones that were put out in the last 2 blocks of the game. HATE. THEM. While the Orc culture can be brought back and used in Hobbit-related blocks (it would make sense there), when it comes to LotR we have:
ISENGARD – Favors the loaded keyword Damage+ and the terrains River, Plains & Battleground. 2nd as far as followers go and does a lot of work in the Maneuver phase. They also play possessions heavily and care about vitality.
SAURON – Favors the loaded keyword Fierce and the terrains Ruins, Mountain & Underground. The shadow side with the most followers and follower love. They are most dangerous during the archery phase and like to play debilitating conditions on the companions.
WRAITH – Favors the loaded keyword Toil and the terrains Forest, Mountain & Marsh. This is the burden culture, one focused on corrupting the Quest-bearer regardless of the size and shape of the fellowship. Some might ask: “Wait, I thought these were the fierce guys.” Well thematically and for balance I believe it makes more sense to give Sauron’s minions Fierce and in exchange give the “voodoo” that Sauron/Orcs had to Wraiths to represent the fear that wraiths inspire in others. So wraiths won’t be making themselves stronger, but others weaker, meaning they have increased chances to overwhelm, and so lose fierce as balance. They favor the assignment phase.
RAIDER (EVIL MEN) – Still working on this one too but they’ll probably love the regroup phase and threats.
WILD – The “misc” shadow culture for all those that owe their allegiance to no one. Like the Balrog, Watcher in the Water, Smaug, or stone giants. No theme, designed to splash into other shadows now and then.
And that’s all for now. If you know how to get in touch with Cryptozoic, let them know about this. Heck I even have some cards mocked up for testing purposes (though not great graphically, if you’re good at that and want to help…). If you’ve got your own ideas or suggestions, feel free to toss them out.
Hmmm… it is April 1st, that would be perfect timing for a remix.
On the other hand, this Saturday is international tabletop day AND there’s no Supernatural tonight, which means it’s perfect timing to review this game.
Got it! We’ll do a remix of the characters reviewing the game!
|I am so killing Chuck next time I see him.|
|No, Dean, Chuck or “Carver Edlund” or whoever didn’t sign off on this game. It was made by a fan of the books. It has nothing to do with us.|
|You sure about that? *holds up event card “Lost a Shoe”*|
|Ok we’ve got our pieces… where’s my race car? What kind of self-respecting board game doesn’t come with a race car or top hat?|
|I like these colorful, circle emblems, they’re unique.|
|Fine, you get the triangle, I get the… wing, thing here. Now we deal out what we are. *deals Sam a character card*|
|*looks at card* A demon? Really, Dean? You still won’t let me live down Ruby?|
|Ugh, take another. *deal*|
|*look* Human? Way to remind me how I’m a freak and will never be normal!|
|Try this. *deal*|
|*look* A werewolf? Oh and she looks just like Madison too! *sob* Why is this even in here?|
|Because the Bitten expansion for the game adds much needed depth to it. There’s never any reason to NOT play with it. *deal*|
|*look* Angel? Gee who’s the only jerk here who’s had to deal with an angel inside him? TWICE!|
|Quit crying, bitch. *deal*|
|*look* Vampire. Ok I’m good.|
|Yeah can’t imagine what it’s like to be a vampire.|
|So we sit at start, roll a die, then move our token that number plus or minus the speed bonus our vehicle gives us.|
|Easy enough, and every space we land on does something.|
|Most often it has us drawing one of these event cards. If it’s a monster, we try and kill it. Doing so means we’ve saved some lives. First one to… ten lives saved wins the game.|
|So it’s a race, only not to a spot on the board, but to a goal.|
|Yeah. Hence why this gorgeous board is laid out in a loop fashion.|
|Sounds dull. Where’s the player interaction? How do I screw you over or sink your battleship?|
|Some trunk and event cards will allow that. Also, if we ever end up in the same space, we fight to the death.|
|If we’re two different species, yeah.|
|No. No way, I don’t fight my little brother, who would believe such a thing?|
|Well the brothers expansion does allow players to work together…|
|Great! We’re doing that!|
|It’s… it’s for team play, Dean! We’d need other players to properly use it.|
|I do not understand why I am present.|
|You know I really prefer Monopoly.|
|Ok. You two are siblings in this game and Dean & I are siblings. Both teams get an heirloom item to share between the two players. *deals out two heirlooms*|
|But why must Crowley be on my team? Dean I thought…|
|Because ‘destiel’ is passe. Casley is where it’s at now.|
|*leans over* Do you understand what they’re saying?|
|*shakes head* No, I only run Hell, nothing so wretched as Livejournal.|
|So if anyone dies in this game, you end up in Purgatory until you roll a ‘3’.|
|Even if we’re not a vampire or werewolf? Dean, you know that’s not accurate.|
|Artistic liberties, Cas. They have to do that to avoid lawsuits. Also to keep the game from getting needlessly complex.|
|Oooo they have an “end of days” expansion. Who wants to relive our best adventure?|
|*looks at product* It involves fighting Lucifer? I’m not ready to remember that…|
|Yeah let’s play a basic game before we get to the hard stuff.|
|Dean, would you like to start?|
|Oh look! A whole page in the rulebook for houserules.|
|PUT THAT DOWN!|
|No wonder you guys don’t have any friends to play with.|
So yeah, I highly recommend the game to Supernatural fans. It may not be as in depth or complex as some games or styles out there, but it’s an easy pick up and play that’s a nice diversion when you have 30 minutes to an hour to kill and want something not to taxing on your noggin. Plus it has a lot of design space left in it such that there’s still plenty we might see in the future and I’m a sucker for modal games where you can sort of tweak the style you want to play with. Hope you get the chance to salt and burn some baddies this saturday…
Oh, and in the tradition of “Risktego” (where you decide territory battles in risk by playing a subgame of Stratego), Ihttp://thewinchesterfamilybusiness.com/’ve created “Salt & Burn Firefly” in honor of my little fan project. XD
Supernatural‘s seventh season premiering tonight.
Three hours after that, is the midnight prerelease of the latest Magic: the Gathering set.
Man, how can we possibly celebrate such a great night?
Oh wait, the latest set to release is Innistrad! A set dedicated to gothic and classic horror – just like Supernatural. So why not combine the two?
Let’s hope the story’s good and good luck at the tournament.
Ever since I “freed” myself from my addiction to the LotR:TCG (sort of), I’ve mostly limited my card playing to limited and preconstructed formats.
Then Wizards of the Coast decided to release a new set. Coming later this month…
Well played, sirs.
Looks like I have a new avatar icon for a month or two…